The Egotistical Priest
An irreverent and opinionated discussion of the many classes
in the World of Warcraft gaming universe.
An irreverent and opinionated discussion of the many classes
in the World of Warcraft gaming universe.
EgoTank took pity on my distraction this morning and allowed me to use a portion of one of his posts from the boards to fill my Thursday slot this week.
Hey, it was that or nuthin today. Plus, the man refuses to admit that he’s a damn fine writer, so I try to incite the Egotistical Legions to goad him into writing more as often as I can.
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No, you don’t need heroic gear to start Karazhan. I didn’t have a single piece of heroic/badge gear before I started tanking Kara. You don’t even need heroic gear to do the easier heroics. You do, however, need to be able to perform your role in a fairly competent manner. Heroics can be a good test in some ways, but they’re mostly just heroic for the healer. If a healer can cut it in heroic slave pens without ridiculous amounts of CC, then they can cut it in Karazhan. If you want to test a tank’s ability to hold aggro in short duration fights or a dpser’s ability to actually be on the right target and not spam AE at inappropriate moments, a normal 5 man can suffice. If you want to test a tank’s ability to maintain a high tps over both short and long duration fights, a healer’s ability to not run OOM at the 3 minute mark, or a dpser’s ability to maintain an acceptable level of damage output and threat control, then yes, the raid environment is really the only place where one can test those things.
That does not, however, diminish the fact that the most important things are shared between raiding and 5 mans, heroic or otherwise. That being the ability to work as member of a team, the tenacity to not give up or get upset after the first bad pull or unlucky wipe, and a mindset that doesn’t involve “I’m just here because I need X item”. Sure, you can wipe your way through 5 mans without those traits, hell you can even wipe your way through Karazhan if you’re overgeared enough.
At the end of Karazhan though there’s an intersection. The turn off just doubles back and leads to where it started. The road that keeps going has a big fat neon sign like a full saberlash to your face, and it says “NO SUCKING BEYOND THIS POINT”.
Karazhan is not the start of the training course, but rather the end of it. The start of it was way the hell back in Deadmines when you were wiping on Vancleef on your very first character because the tank couldn’t hold aggro on the adds. Everything that was there to learn in every instance from then till now applies to raiding.
December 6th, 2007
“You don’t even need heroic gear to do the easier heroics. ”
Now THAT, my friends, is probably THE sentence of the year!
I wonder what it would be like if, in order to DO heroics, you needed to have already DONE them before you started!
December 6th, 2007
Damn dude, you made my day by pointing out that only the healers really have to be heroic in the so-called heroic dungeons.
December 6th, 2007
*shrug* Some people like to attribute every wipe to a lack of gear, even if it’s in say, heroic Slave Pens, and they’re already wearing level 70 5-man blues. Raids works the same way. If you needed gear from the second half to do the first half, then it’d be impossible and rediculous. In that same vein, if a raid only succeeds in the first half when there’s some people who’ve already farmed and geared up in the second half present, well then there’s something wrong, and it sure the hell isn’t their gear.
I stand by my words.
And I may have read that “heroics are only heroic for the healer” line somewhere on here…or possibly the WoW Priest forums…or maybe elitist jerks, I can’t remember
It’s so very true though.
December 6th, 2007
Who do I have to bribe to read the rest of that post?
December 6th, 2007
Who is this EgoTank? Does EgoTank have a blog? If not then why not? I want more!
December 6th, 2007
@Isaleste:
I think this is it. Egotank is taunting us. If we all aggro, I’m sure we’ll get more.
In that vein…
*goad goad goad* Grrr, aggro!
December 7th, 2007
Egotank is an Ego cameo.
I agree with nearly 95% of what Egotank said. Heroics/Kara are more gear dependant for the healers than other classes. However I would say the tank needs fairly decent gear as well. If you are getting hit to hard no heal can keep you up.
December 10th, 2007
aye even if you dont need superb gear runing kara in greens is not recomended
Tanks lose health faster
dps doesnt dps fast enough
healers need to spam bigger heals and run oom faster
An alternative is pvp gear the season 1 gear is very nice if you can’t find people to do instances.
March 14th, 2008
Well, I agree and disagree.
Kara CAN be run in all greens, but your whole raids gotta be DAMN skilled, which it usually isnt when you LFG KARA on SW general chat.
Thats it.