The Egotistical Priest
An irreverent and opinionated discussion of the many classes
in the World of Warcraft gaming universe.
An irreverent and opinionated discussion of the many classes
in the World of Warcraft gaming universe.
(Warning. GIANT entry here. This is the process I went through before I even created my hunter. Call it OCD if you wish, I prefer to think of it as planning ahead. *winks*)
As I’ve mentioned, I love huntering almost as much as I love priesting. More, sometimes.My priest is fun because I contribute meaningfully to a group. After being squishy and helpless for so long, it feels unimaginably wonderful to be overpowered. To go out and feel nothing more than a vague irritation when a mob accosts me on my way, rather than the panic and frustration when my priest ventures out solo. To be an entire group all to myself - tank, healer, and dps - that, my friends, is true power. Relying on and assisting others is nice, but sometimes it’s also nice to be the one who can get things done.
Sure, I’ve got Khuuna, at level 70 and geared enough to be let into Kara (though not optimally pre-Kara geared, she’s pretty close). But where’s the fun in blogging about that, right?
So I started a baby hunter. For various reasons, not the least of which is the fact that I haven’t played horde in YEARS, I rolled on another server (Garona) as a dreadful hordie.
I had some options, as far as race was concerned. I could be troll, or orc, tauren, or blood elf.
I generally prefer female characters to males, so when choosinga race, I don’t have to concern myself with the males. I can concentrate soley on the females.
Female orcs are…let’s face it. Not pretty. There’s only one or two pretty orc faces, and they are sort of absurdly pretty. Like an ugly orc that went out and got botox. No orc should be that…cheerful. Plus, I don’t like any of the hair options except “bald”. I do like the bodybuilder form they’ve got, and I like the way they move, but….meh. No orc for me.
(Yes, I am aware of the absurdity of saying “Too ugly! And then, too pretty!” It’s my blog and I’ll paradox if I want to.)
Trolls? Again with the hideous faces! The pretty troll doesn’t look quite as out of place as the female orc, but after moving around a bit, I found I didn’t like her gait - she swings awkwardly from side to side as she moves, like a boat at sea. An unstable boat. I kept expecting her to randomly stumble and topple sideways.
I did love all the awesome jewel-toned hair options — but I don’t like watching her move across the screen. Not for me. *sigh*
Tauren, ah, I love the tauren. I love the culture, the way gear looks on them, they way they move…a definite maybe. My first toon was a tauren, and I still have a sweet spot in my heart for them.
Blood elves. Snooty little thing, but I like the way she moves, and she’s got a lot of pretty options for the character. I like the look of the tauren a bit better, I think, but the blood elf is another maybe.
So I’ve narrowed down my races to two, based entirely on aesthetics.
Could I have made a better choice for the purposes of min/maxing? Definitely - that bow skill on the trolls is very nice. And Blood Fury from an orc? Whew. Amazing. The races have no effect on your starting stats, but the racial skills can matter. [Edit : Untrue! Sonvar showed me that the various races do have differing starting stats ]
I know myself better than that. If I don’t like the way a character looks and moves, I will not be happy with them, regardless of anything else. Does that mean it’s a wrong choice to choose based on game mechanics?
What a silly question. Of course not. Especially for people less picky than myself, it’s a great way to help narrow down the choices.
Just because I’m making my decisions for my character based almost entirely on how something looks, that doesn’t make it the only way. It may be shallow, but it’s a video game, and I’m going to be staring at this character for a long time. I may as well enjoy it.
Okay, on to the pets. TOOONS of pet options. I load up my trusty petopia, and start to play. I spend a lot of time here, even when I’m not playing a hunter - I love looking at all the options, and I think the site is incredibly easy to use.
With pets, there are so many excellent choices that I can’t choose based on looks alone. That doesn’t narrow the playing field much. I can actually throw a bit of research and theorycraft in there to help me decide.
The most common way to differentiate between pet types is to look at their intended use. There are high armor pets, high health pets, middle-of-the-road pets, and high damage pets.
How am I going to be playing my hunter? I will be primarily grouping and providing dps in instances, but I may have to do some soloing. I know from experience that a cat makes a perfectly valid soloing pet, so I don’t think I need to worry about getting any of the tanky pets unless I really love them. And, in general, I don’t. I do like the looks of some of the high health and middle of the road pets, and most of the damage pets….hmmm, this isn’t really narrowing down the field for me much. Let’s try another tactic.
I went to Elitist Jerks and checked out their forums, but the Quick Links to Prominent Class Threads had only a single hunter link - and that leads to a stub of an article. [EDIT! Zasp gave me a link to the hunter spreadsheets on Elitist Jerks. For those who live for spreadsheet theorycraft.]
Ah, Elitist Jerks, you have failed me this time. Sure, there are probably other hunter threads there, but I don’t have time to spend a few hours searching for them and then through pages and pages of replies to pull out the relevant information.
What I need is a patsy. Someone who IS willing to do those hours and hours of research, and then post what they learned.
Back to Petopia! They’ve got some nice graphs detailing the differences between the pet families. Let’s see, there’s food problems - I probably don’t want anything that only eats bread or fruit, means I can’t forage for them. Course, I can just buy the stacks of petchow, but where’s the fun in that? Might be something to consider if I am down to the wire on choosing a pet.
Ah, there’s another at the bottom - the skills that each pet family can learn. I’ll be that’ll come in handy. I know I will almost certainly want something that can learn dash or dive, as patience is definitely not my strong suit. And a focus dump. BRK advocates a focus dump, such as claw or gore, over an ability like bite. If I can make that part of the equation, I’d like to.
I think I’m getting a little ahead of myself here. How about I do the same thing for the pets as I did for the race? Narrow down based on looks, then make a decision based on what’s left?
So where does that leave me? Raptors, ravagers, BC carrion birds, owls, regular wolves, crabs, bears, tallstriders.
Gonna toss out bears. I like ‘em, but I don’t love ‘em. Also gonna drop the tallstriders and wolves for having no claw. *sob*
So raptors, ravagers, bc carrion birds, owls, crabs.
Oh, another thing! Remember how I mentioned being impatient? You know what skill is GREAT for impatient hunters? Dash and dive. Oh yeah. I get quivers just thinking of it.
Crab, you adorable little cupcake, you cannot learn dash. Farewell, good crustacean!
So now that I’ve narrowed it down a bit, I’m gonna open up Petopia again and look at the specific skins for each of the families I liked. The ravagers especially seem to have an odd color palatte - lots of golds and reds, and greens, and a purple or two. No blacks and whites, no pastels or earthy tones. BC carrion birds also have that red/gold thing going on (with a green and white/black, just for giggles). Raptors appear to have a lot of earthy colors, and the red/gold again. Some muted colors in the jolly rancher raptors even, a very nice assortment to choose from. Owls mostly have muted earthy colors (except when it looks like Mardi Gras exploded on them).
Keeping that in mind, I go to the character creator. I’d decided on Tauren or Blood Elf for my race…let’s see what’s available, shall we?
Taurens, lots of muted colors. A black. The white has brown hair, that’ll be hard to match up…hmmm…grays, soft browns, goodness I love the spots, how cute are those? It’s like full body freckling.
…nothing that would look good with the ravagers except perhaps the solid black.
And when I made Khuuna, she was all whites and blacks. The tuxedo pets all looked great with her. But I want something different - I want to be able to try out more pets and have some leeway in case I change my mind. I was very hemmed in with Khuuna - tamed a gold ravager with her once and just didn’t like the color combo.
Blood Elves, as you’ve already guessed, lots of golds and reds and oranges. A few whites and blacks, but not many.
I looked at it for a long time, trying to find a way to make it work, and the dusty, earthy colors of the tauren just don’t match well with the pets that I chose.
With sadness, I crossed the tauren off my list. A moment of silence, for the hunter that never was.
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So I rolled a belf, making sure her skin tone and hair color match with as many of the pets as I could. I decided to go with a soft orange hair color - a lot of the pets had that either as an accent color or as a major color.
I then spent an hour and a half going through various name possibilities before finding something that wasn’t taken and that I felt matched the personality I had in my head for her. She’s got short, spunky hair and a mischievous grin. No long, graceful name would suit this girl, no sir.
Finally, she was ready.
I hit the button, and Tayt was born.
So what was the purpose of this entry? It was so you could see how someone else makes a decision about characters. You can see the times when I was shallow, and the reasons I decided for or against something. Disagree with me on spiders or striders? Go right ahead!
But whatever you do, try to think ahead. If you are very lucky, you’re going to be stuck with this toon for a very very long time. You may as well like them.
March 27th, 2008
Rarely is the thought process behind character creation so eloquently conveyed! Having never rolled a hunter, my thought process usually is limited to the character itself, notable exception being creating a warlock, crossing my fingers that I don’t get a minion named “Bhutseckz” or something equally ridiculous. Most of my toons are males, which are generally modeled after a quick background I weave for them based on the class. Females, while similar, are moreso selected based on appearance. I usually try to go unconventional without crossing over into “ugly” territory. My males can be somewhat ugly, since I generally think the male form carries ugly better. =P
That said, I’ve often lamented the limited character creation options in these sorts of games. Something between World of Warcraft and Oblivion, borrowing some aspects from City of Heroes/Villains would be ideal, I think. Why is every character of a specific race and gender the same height? There are no human females who are taller than human males (Elixir of Giant Growth excepting). There are no human males who have a view of draenei females other than right at chest level. Not that I’m complaining, specifically, but it serves to illustrate. Why can’t I make a fat gnome warrior tank? I’d also like to be able to do more than rotate my character while I am creating him. It’s hard to make out facial features without zooming in, and some of them are really quite subtle, staying invisible until you get in-game and get a close up of your new avatar for the first time, only to realize you didn’t want an extra tentacle.
But I digress.
May we have a picture of your young hunter? Tayt is, after all, now a member of the family, no?
March 27th, 2008
@Chris
Ugh, yeah. And on a warlock, you can’t learn some of the pet names till you’re high enough to make rerolling the character more trouble than it’s worth.
I’ll admit I cheated on the character creation - the zooming and suchlike being very big pet peeves of mine.
I used WoW Model Viewer. I could check out all the races and combos (as well as the pets) in good lighting and zoom in to see details without problem.
I’m with you on the character creation. I played with SWGalaxies for a bit, and the character creation was the fun part. The game itself? Meh. But I LOVED that character creater!
March 27th, 2008
@Chris
Oh! And a picture is forthcoming. Both Vonya and Khuuna got introductory portraits done, Tayt certainly deserves the same!
Along with her pet, Roshii.
And if you can guess where I got the name Roshii (as a hint, it’s a raptor, and NO, it’s not an unclever version of Yoshi from Mario Brothers), I will give you my favorite cookie recipe.
*thinks* As a second hint, you have to say it like thusly, whenever you send the pet in. Mentally works, but out loud is more fun, especially when your husband sometimes supplies it when you forget :
“RrrrrrrrooooooshhhiiiiiiiiiiiiIIIIII!”
I have only one more hint to supply, and I shall wait to see if it’s necessary. This is a VERY obscure reference.
March 27th, 2008
My second level 70 (after my priest) was a hunter, and I love my hunter to death. Grinding is easy, taking on several mobs no longer carries with it the fear of death, and on a PvP server, I don’t have to worry as much about the other faction seeing me and saying to themselves, “ooh, look a priest! Squishy easy kill!” A few tried that against my hunter and felt the humiliating pain of defeat. As a hunter at level 70, my favorite pet is by far the ravager, and I’m sure you know that at level 65 there’s a ravager in Blade’s Edge Mountains that actually has 3 color schemes, and it randomly picks one of the 3 every time you call the ravager out. My Bloodspine is pretty
I’ve gotta hand it to you, I’ve never heard of character creation being so complex, and I’ve certainly never heard of someone picking a race based on how it will match with the eventual preferred hunter pet. I hope you have fun with Tayt, I’m sure it will be refreshing leveling a horde.
March 27th, 2008
WoW Model Viewer! That’s brilliant, I’ll need to use that next time I get the alt itch. I’m no stranger to spending a loooong time on the character creation screen, and I’ve been mocked plenty for it. However, the choices you make on that screen are among the few things you can’t change later!
March 27th, 2008
@Strayfe
I’m sure most people don’t - I’ve had more than a few hunters over the years, and I’ve found that I really enjoy when the pet and hunter match in some way. Like with Khuuna, although I loved her and her with the lions, I just didn’t like her with the gold ravager.
I’m positive that I’ll love Tayt through the expansion though. I have all kinds of pet possibilities along the way that should look very nice with her.
Peace of mind, in a very odd way, I’ll grant you. =]
@Panentheos
Too right! And once you get the LOOK down, there’s still the name!!!
I have two baby naming books and I still spend over a half hour naming each toon.
March 27th, 2008
“and you just KNOW that if you lick one, it tastes like watermelon.”
So, so very wrong.
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Is why I ROFL’d.
March 27th, 2008
@Rats
Pfffft.
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/skins/skin_raptor_outlandgreen.php
I rest my case.
March 27th, 2008
Ya mon… I’m quemedo, a troll priest from Venture Co. serv.
I like ya blog very much
/cheer. Tha information abut skilz and stuff is very good’a.
Abut this post, how much time ya take to do tha char? A day?
Mah priest i only take tha much time for finding a good’a name. Quemedo. I’m from tha Brazil, for me, it has a meaning (sorry abut mah bad englhis, still learning). If ya want Ego, come and joing mah server and play with me and mah brudhas. Ya will be very welcome.
Great job with tha blog and congrats. /cheer /salute /bye =*
March 27th, 2008
Hehehe. Thats too much work for me. My first character creation took about 5 minutes, and my second (Hildi) took about 15 lol.
I love my hawt female troll. True, the way she moves is strange, but frankly it makes it more endearing to me. The only thing trolls are missing is the swim speed buff they should get for the ginormous flippers they have for feet!
On SWG. Gawd…that game had issues. Asheron’s Call 1 had a pretty good character creation set also if I can remember back that far. I played Dark Ages of Camelot for a while, and one of the coolest character specific things you could do was color your own armor pieces to almost any color you wanted. At one point I had a huge purple berserking troll. It was great lol.
March 27th, 2008
“The races have no effect on your starting stats, but the racial skills can matter.”
Actually each race has different starting stats. Its not a whole lot typically but it can make a difference. Like NEs start with 28 agility but BEs have 25.
This is displayed in http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/
Regardless, you go into a lot more analysis about how to pick your hunter then I ever did. My choice to begin with was Alliance cause my friends were Alliance on the server, I wanted to be male, and I wanted a Horde looking race. So I became a Draenei hunter and picked the skin that looked most appealing at the time from clicking random. I’ve been good to go from there and quite happy. If you ever decide to get a cat though I’d recommend this http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_shyrotam.php once you hit 60
March 27th, 2008
@Sonvar
Oh, burn on me! I checked the site I got that information from, and it looks like they’ve either stealthily changed it, or I simply misread it. (I’m sure we ALL know which is more likely. Sneaky programmers…)
You are too right. I’ll fix that immediately! Thank you!
March 27th, 2008
@Sonvar
Also, Shy Rotam’s all blues and whites! That would never do for Tayt - she’d need one of the Stranglethorn Tigers, I’d imagine.
For a blue drae, though, or a blue troll or orc, that would look awesome.
March 27th, 2008
Hey, I’m mostly Horde-side on Garona! I’ll have to look you up!
March 27th, 2008
Very nice post, Ego. I liked your decision making on the pet, and my vote would have to go with the Ravager. I have a 70 hunter, and he has the ravager that’s purple and orange, my favorite. I just wish he was ALWAYS that color, instead of swapping to the orange on orange sometimes. I named him Halloween, as it seemed appropriate. Now to work on that macro to say “Trick or Treat” when I send him to attack!
March 27th, 2008
well written, and well thought out.
Might I suggest one of the armored brown boars from RFK as a secondary pet for tanking? You already pointed out al the reasons I keep one in the stable. Sherman (my little tank) comes out whenever a grinding session is in order, Shadow (Humar the pridelord) is my high damage, everyday kind of pet. If i read correctly I think it would look good as well.
Leveling 2 pets at the same time is no longer really a problem since Blizz increased the rate at which pets gain XP.
Enjoy your hunter, I certainly love mine =)
March 28th, 2008
Here I thought I was alone in this world agonizing over all the various options and combinations.
Something that I didn’t take into mind until my hunter was in the 30’s was the sound that a pet makes. My hunter wetah made it to 70 pre-leveling speedup so I got to spend a good amount of time playing with various pets.
I do wish petopia had sound file of what the pet sounds like to go with the graphic itself. I had the most gorgeous spider, all black/yellow/red to go with my belf. My poor belf had to make the long trek from the ghostlands to the blood myst isles. But after having Fluffy for 15 levels I had to abandon her because I couldn’t take the godzilla like screech she made every time she attacked.
Something else that does come to mind in choosing a good pet, is what does it eat. Running out of pet food is as bad or worse than running out of ammo. Suffice to say that a pet that can eat bread is a god send, can you say mage food?
In the end I really needed room for 4 pets so I could have 1 for each job, but in the end I had to drop some visually pleasing pets to pick up skills for all the others only to pick up another pet from that family.
At 70 wetah has the following
Undead Boar - eastern plaguelands, highest level boar available for taiming.
Blackwind Saber Cat - Terokkar Forest, highest level cat of that pattern
Scalewing Serpent - Blades Edge, highest level wind serpent you can get outside of an instance
Ill solo with bacon(boar) or spot(cat) since really at 70 either pet is a good tank, be it dps or regular agro tank. Shockie(wind serpent) usually ends up being my pvp pet, since nature damage (lightning breath) isn’t something most people have high resistance to.
If I have a choice I like to take bacon out, because he sounds just so happy to be doing his job and he will eat anything that I can.
BTW because of you I rolled a holly priest
April 1st, 2008
@Weta: I do wish petopia had sound file of what the pet sounds like to go with the graphic itself.
Great idea! Why don’t you drop Mania a note and suggest that? I suspect she simply hasn’t thought of it, because it certainly sounds like something she’d be all over in a heartbeat.
(Well, unless BRK is actually telling the truth today.)