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		<title>By: Xiless</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/08/hunter-shot-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-3788</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pictures make me happy

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		<title>By: Shatter</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/08/hunter-shot-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-3727</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's really something to be taken from the irony of a situation once you sit back and actually look at it.

On the one hand, Ego makes a post that for better or worse is looking to change the hunter community in some way.  Now, because he has genuine concerns about this obviously Esoth feels he has to respond, as is well within his right, and clearly does not feel he is changed for the better by the post.  He says that she is a failure because her information in his opinion is flawed.

Then you have Esoth, who creates a post that begins with "There is so much fail..." which while an eloquent display of one's capabilities to be an asinine pissant without putting much effort into it, will automatically switch any receptiveness for what is to follow off on the part of Ego.  Thus, in stating that she has "failed" to effectively teach others, he in turn has done just that by being incapable of diffusing his own ego and self-esteem issues from the message he had to give.

Don't get me wrong, I find being abrasive to be very fun, but it isn't informative.  If someone doesn't like what you have to say they generally don't listen, and in this case to borrow your own poignant phrase, Esoth, "there is so much fail" in your introductory statement that I don't know where to begin.  Well, that's a lie I know exactly where to begin -- the first sentence.

Constructive criticism will always garner better results than acidic assertions, and so long as you fail to grasp that concept I wouldn't be surprised if you feel the world is out to "ignore" you because no one takes your "brilliant" view point seriously.  Look at yourself in the mirror, give yourself a big smile, and say "Hey guy, you matter".

Once you've done that, it is my belief you'll be able to post without trying to prove that to everyone while disproving the importance of someone else's belief.

Or, you could just be a belligerent muppet, which is cool I guess, but don't expect much more than indifference after you've burnt your vehement core into smoldering ashes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s really something to be taken from the irony of a situation once you sit back and actually look at it.</p>
<p>On the one hand, Ego makes a post that for better or worse is looking to change the hunter community in some way.  Now, because he has genuine concerns about this obviously Esoth feels he has to respond, as is well within his right, and clearly does not feel he is changed for the better by the post.  He says that she is a failure because her information in his opinion is flawed.</p>
<p>Then you have Esoth, who creates a post that begins with &#8220;There is so much fail&#8230;&#8221; which while an eloquent display of one&#8217;s capabilities to be an asinine pissant without putting much effort into it, will automatically switch any receptiveness for what is to follow off on the part of Ego.  Thus, in stating that she has &#8220;failed&#8221; to effectively teach others, he in turn has done just that by being incapable of diffusing his own ego and self-esteem issues from the message he had to give.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I find being abrasive to be very fun, but it isn&#8217;t informative.  If someone doesn&#8217;t like what you have to say they generally don&#8217;t listen, and in this case to borrow your own poignant phrase, Esoth, &#8220;there is so much fail&#8221; in your introductory statement that I don&#8217;t know where to begin.  Well, that&#8217;s a lie I know exactly where to begin &#8212; the first sentence.</p>
<p>Constructive criticism will always garner better results than acidic assertions, and so long as you fail to grasp that concept I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you feel the world is out to &#8220;ignore&#8221; you because no one takes your &#8220;brilliant&#8221; view point seriously.  Look at yourself in the mirror, give yourself a big smile, and say &#8220;Hey guy, you matter&#8221;.</p>
<p>Once you&#8217;ve done that, it is my belief you&#8217;ll be able to post without trying to prove that to everyone while disproving the importance of someone else&#8217;s belief.</p>
<p>Or, you could just be a belligerent muppet, which is cool I guess, but don&#8217;t expect much more than indifference after you&#8217;ve burnt your vehement core into smoldering ashes.</p>
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		<title>By: Esoth</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/08/hunter-shot-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-3685</link>
		<dc:creator>Esoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is so much fail here I don't even know where to begin. You can no longer interrupt auto shot with a steady shot once that auto shot has started casting (auto has a 0.5 second cast time). If you start to cast just before the auto starts casting, then yes, it will clip it. However it does not clip it during that .5 second cast, and that is huge. Do all the testing you want if you don't believe me. Steady shot also invokes the global cooldown but has no cooldown of its own. It ends up with very odd behavior that lets you do a 3:2 rotation which is the most dps you can do. If you're not concerned about doing the most dps you can do, don't play a hunter and don't raid.

Arcane shot scales horribly compared to steady shot. Even with ignoring armor, steady shot will surpass it with enough AP. Arcane shot should only be used in raids if you are moving or something needs to be dispelled (rare). Stings scale even worse. The only time you should consider using a sting in a raid is if someone is getting hit much harder than usual and you need to put scorpid up to give a cushion. Think people getting fel raged on Bloodboil, or RoS phase 1. Never ever use serpent sting.

Kill Command is actually a decent amount of damage. http://wowwebstats.com/jdzp2egrckmq5?s=253288-276217&#38;a=x389bde Last Gorefiend it did about as much as my pet's yellow damage. If I had a ravager or a cat, it would have easily surpassed it. For procs, it counts as an attack made by your pet. This makes it a critical part of FI uptime as well as frenzy uptime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much fail here I don&#8217;t even know where to begin. You can no longer interrupt auto shot with a steady shot once that auto shot has started casting (auto has a 0.5 second cast time). If you start to cast just before the auto starts casting, then yes, it will clip it. However it does not clip it during that .5 second cast, and that is huge. Do all the testing you want if you don&#8217;t believe me. Steady shot also invokes the global cooldown but has no cooldown of its own. It ends up with very odd behavior that lets you do a 3:2 rotation which is the most dps you can do. If you&#8217;re not concerned about doing the most dps you can do, don&#8217;t play a hunter and don&#8217;t raid.</p>
<p>Arcane shot scales horribly compared to steady shot. Even with ignoring armor, steady shot will surpass it with enough AP. Arcane shot should only be used in raids if you are moving or something needs to be dispelled (rare). Stings scale even worse. The only time you should consider using a sting in a raid is if someone is getting hit much harder than usual and you need to put scorpid up to give a cushion. Think people getting fel raged on Bloodboil, or RoS phase 1. Never ever use serpent sting.</p>
<p>Kill Command is actually a decent amount of damage. <a href="http://wowwebstats.com/jdzp2egrckmq5?s=253288-276217&amp;a=x389bde" rel="nofollow">http://wowwebstats.com/jdzp2egrckmq5?s=253288-276217&amp;a=x389bde</a> Last Gorefiend it did about as much as my pet&#8217;s yellow damage. If I had a ravager or a cat, it would have easily surpassed it. For procs, it counts as an attack made by your pet. This makes it a critical part of FI uptime as well as frenzy uptime.</p>
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		<title>By: teh Khol Abides</title>
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		<dc:creator>teh Khol Abides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hannah

I am an expert on all things.  I would have thought this would have been evident by now.</description>
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<p>I am an expert on all things.  I would have thought this would have been evident by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Crimsontusk</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/08/hunter-shot-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-3628</link>
		<dc:creator>Crimsontusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hannelore

=) =) =) I can make more if you want lol.  BTW I am an expert on every class I level to 70 as I like to excel at what I do both in and out of game.  I am not a math guy but game mechanics are really easy to figure out and don't change just because you re-roll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hannelore</p>
<p>=) =) =) I can make more if you want lol.  BTW I am an expert on every class I level to 70 as I like to excel at what I do both in and out of game.  I am not a math guy but game mechanics are really easy to figure out and don&#8217;t change just because you re-roll.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannelore</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/08/hunter-shot-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannelore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class="hanners"&gt;@ Vonya&lt;/span&gt;

Well, space goat, you've done it now!  You should know better than to invoke "how to huntar".

My my my.  You try to show your basic shots for a non-raiding, barely Kara-sized hunter, and why they work for you, and everyone who's ever looked at the hunter class pops up to politely disagree.  From math that ignores the armor of your target (wouldn't that be nice!) to the ubiquitous smileyface!

I'm waiting to hear from a Ranger, next, really.

Alas for me, belonging to the race that seems to be the perfect draw for the "xoLegolassox" type class.  Don't worry, though.  Soon there will be Death Knights, and then everyone will get to be an expert on a different solo class!  Mmmmm, gives me warm fuzzies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="hanners">@ Vonya</span></p>
<p>Well, space goat, you&#8217;ve done it now!  You should know better than to invoke &#8220;how to huntar&#8221;.</p>
<p>My my my.  You try to show your basic shots for a non-raiding, barely Kara-sized hunter, and why they work for you, and everyone who&#8217;s ever looked at the hunter class pops up to politely disagree.  From math that ignores the armor of your target (wouldn&#8217;t that be nice!) to the ubiquitous smileyface!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting to hear from a Ranger, next, really.</p>
<p>Alas for me, belonging to the race that seems to be the perfect draw for the &#8220;xoLegolassox&#8221; type class.  Don&#8217;t worry, though.  Soon there will be Death Knights, and then everyone will get to be an expert on a different solo class!  Mmmmm, gives me warm fuzzies.</p>
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		<title>By: Crimsontusk</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol I open with aimed shot as well (though it Crits for well over 3k), question though..are you all BM hunters?  I am MM and I use a shot macro that cast (or attempts to) Kill Command everytime I cast SS, I never use AS because it is so much worse than my SS (I have 2002 AP right now 1 kara piece) Where you put KC in your rotation is my Serpent sting and just before a pull if I am not required as CC I drop either Snake or fire trap (unless we have a pally tank then I use Explosive) 

I don't understand why you say you can't use SS when Rapid Fire and Bloodlust is up, I am a troll so I add in my berserk ability for the extra 10-30% haste and if IAotH is up my SS is almost instant cast lol.  I hit 1487 DPS in heroic Shattered Halls on Bladefist (think my pet DPS was like 50 or something lol) 

I don't use any hunter add ons but I have made a few macro's to help me out for when I am required to CC, so that I can focus on kiting and trapping without sacrificing my DPS too much.  I am not an "Old school hunter" I actually only hit 70 a week ago on this guy, but I was doing heroic Shattered Halls since 68 (needed the rep for "The Marksmans Bow" =])</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol I open with aimed shot as well (though it Crits for well over 3k), question though..are you all BM hunters?  I am MM and I use a shot macro that cast (or attempts to) Kill Command everytime I cast SS, I never use AS because it is so much worse than my SS (I have 2002 AP right now 1 kara piece) Where you put KC in your rotation is my Serpent sting and just before a pull if I am not required as CC I drop either Snake or fire trap (unless we have a pally tank then I use Explosive) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you say you can&#8217;t use SS when Rapid Fire and Bloodlust is up, I am a troll so I add in my berserk ability for the extra 10-30% haste and if IAotH is up my SS is almost instant cast lol.  I hit 1487 DPS in heroic Shattered Halls on Bladefist (think my pet DPS was like 50 or something lol) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t use any hunter add ons but I have made a few macro&#8217;s to help me out for when I am required to CC, so that I can focus on kiting and trapping without sacrificing my DPS too much.  I am not an &#8220;Old school hunter&#8221; I actually only hit 70 a week ago on this guy, but I was doing heroic Shattered Halls since 68 (needed the rep for &#8220;The Marksmans Bow&#8221; =])</p>
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		<title>By: Weta</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/08/hunter-shot-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-3625</link>
		<dc:creator>Weta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what your seeing with your pet isn't so much tied into growl as it is into the fact that damage itself is threat.  Growl is still supposed to be based off the hunters RAP, blizzard has been screwing around with that lately but thats their official line.

So the +strength from the kibbles makes your pet hit harder so smoke is generating more threat per attack.

I took aimed shot off my attack bars long ago, I dont want to think about the agro I would build if that thing ever went crit during a boss fight :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what your seeing with your pet isn&#8217;t so much tied into growl as it is into the fact that damage itself is threat.  Growl is still supposed to be based off the hunters RAP, blizzard has been screwing around with that lately but thats their official line.</p>
<p>So the +strength from the kibbles makes your pet hit harder so smoke is generating more threat per attack.</p>
<p>I took aimed shot off my attack bars long ago, I dont want to think about the agro I would build if that thing ever went crit during a boss fight <img src='http://egotisticalpriest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: teh Khol Abides</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/08/hunter-shot-rotation/comment-page-1/#comment-3624</link>
		<dc:creator>teh Khol Abides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of kibble...I've found, in a purely anecdotal way, mind you, that without kibble my pet absolutely cannot hold aggro from my hunter...and yes, that's watching the threat meter like a hawk and waiting for Smoke (ghost saber ftw!) to get a good 1.5k-2k threat lead.  Really, it bears actually parsing the numbers, but I have my suspicions that the recent change to the growl mechanic may be what's at work here.  The kibble boosts the pet's AP enough so growl then is able to produce enough threat to hold aggro when that opening aimed shot crits for 2k or more, I don't get a face full of mob.

Yes, I open with aimed shot...wanna fight about it? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of kibble&#8230;I&#8217;ve found, in a purely anecdotal way, mind you, that without kibble my pet absolutely cannot hold aggro from my hunter&#8230;and yes, that&#8217;s watching the threat meter like a hawk and waiting for Smoke (ghost saber ftw!) to get a good 1.5k-2k threat lead.  Really, it bears actually parsing the numbers, but I have my suspicions that the recent change to the growl mechanic may be what&#8217;s at work here.  The kibble boosts the pet&#8217;s AP enough so growl then is able to produce enough threat to hold aggro when that opening aimed shot crits for 2k or more, I don&#8217;t get a face full of mob.</p>
<p>Yes, I open with aimed shot&#8230;wanna fight about it? <img src='http://egotisticalpriest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lerta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lerta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't believe KC triggers the global cooldown thats why its used in macros, to be cast along with the SS as soon as a KC is available.

Guns, Bows, and Crossbows also make a difference with Autoshot weaving. Keep your eyes on the speed depending on your Hunter Spec. Faster is better for BM because we don't have those other shots MM's have but if you struggle to weave SS in that fast get a slower shooter as you'll have more time to get the shots figured out.

And practice with Rapid Fire on your own, soloing, to make sure you're ready for the shot rotation change from the huge haste bonus. This practice will help too whenever a Bloodlust, love shammys, goes off and you're like "whoa I'm huge and shooting a lot."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe KC triggers the global cooldown thats why its used in macros, to be cast along with the SS as soon as a KC is available.</p>
<p>Guns, Bows, and Crossbows also make a difference with Autoshot weaving. Keep your eyes on the speed depending on your Hunter Spec. Faster is better for BM because we don&#8217;t have those other shots MM&#8217;s have but if you struggle to weave SS in that fast get a slower shooter as you&#8217;ll have more time to get the shots figured out.</p>
<p>And practice with Rapid Fire on your own, soloing, to make sure you&#8217;re ready for the shot rotation change from the huge haste bonus. This practice will help too whenever a Bloodlust, love shammys, goes off and you&#8217;re like &#8220;whoa I&#8217;m huge and shooting a lot.&#8221;</p>
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