The Egotistical Priest
An irreverent and opinionated discussion of the many classes
in the World of Warcraft gaming universe.
An irreverent and opinionated discussion of the many classes
in the World of Warcraft gaming universe.
I have a few rules when I join up with a pug. Sometimes I announce these rules at the outset, just to let them know what to expect from me. After the third member confesses that they are just learning how to do what it is they do, for whatever reason, I make it known that after dying three times, I will evacuate.
Some may find that too harsh. Others may wonder why I would let the pain last that long.
Either way, it’s good to have rules. It helps you get over a rocky start that may otherwise have you fleeing at the first “lol”, and it keeps you from swearing off ever healing a shaman ever again due to that four hour Maraudon run (Landslide can go throw himself off a cliff next time, plx.)
I decided to see if anyone else had this mindset, going into a pug, so I asked around a bit. I found a bear in Nighthaven, that druid hotspot of dreary purple and green, while I was escaping the terrors of the Timbermaw. They never did forgive me for my first attempt to get through that tunnel of theirs. (I have to be friendly with you to get through your tunnel? You attacked me first, you thong-wearing savages! Bear whale-tail earns you all the face-melting in the world.)
This bear-druid was apparently locked in some sort of Emerald Ennui, so I chose him as a prime target for the interview. After all, I can spot pug-distress from a mile away.
Hanners: So, tell me about your experience with pick up groups.
Bear: I haven’t done a lot. Always wanted to tank, though, so I’ve done a couple leading people through dungeons on my way up.
Hanners: You would not consider yourself a serial pugger?
Bear: Um, no. Haven’t had time to do dungeons, really. I’ve been leveling up as fast as I can. I hope to grow up to be a tree.
Hanners: Admirable (stupid druids).
Bear: What?
Hanners: Nothing. What have you learned from your limited experiences?
Bear: Tanking is fun! I set the pace, I protect the healer, and if I’m doing my stuff right, then the dps can be as retarded as they want and can’t screw it up.
Hanners: I want your children.
Bear: Wait, what?
Hanners: Nothing, that’s very commendable. Where did you learn about being a good tank?
Bear: Reading websites, mostly. This is my first time trying it, myself, but I’ve watched a lot of other people do it. Some do it right, and I want to be like that, and some do it wrong, and it makes me cry.
Hanners: I’m writing an article about rules people have for their pug. Do you have any rules?
Bear: Well I try to avoid stupid people…
Hanners: And how is that working for you?
Bear: I…don’t do a lot of pugs.
Hanners: Touché. Any other stipulations you may place on a group?
Bear: I don’t like hoppy-rogues.
Hanners: Rouges.
Bear: What?
Hanners: Nothing. No hopping, check. What about your healers?
Bear: Oh, I hate grouping with healers that are ‘just learning’. It almost always means that they get lazy when the first part of the dungeon is easy, so they’ll start throwing in a wand attack, or a dot or two, and then by the middle of the thing, they are barely using heal spells at all.
Hanners: I can imagine how it winds up at the end…
Bear: Yeah. They start wondering why things are suddenly harder, how the rogue kept dying, and why I’m going a lot slower and healing myself between pulls. Or they get agro and get upset about the dirtnap.
Hanners: We do tend to get cranky about those.
Bear: Well yeah, anybody does, but c’mon. Two big heals right after you’ve mind-blasted a monster I’m not hitting? Totally deserved it.
Hanners: Totally. So tell me about a recent experience. You look a bit upset.
Bear: I don’t know…
Hanners: You can tell us.
Bear: Wait, what?
Hanners: Me, you can tell me. Was it pretty bad?
Bear: Well yeah. We never even made it to the dungeon. See, I was looking to get into an instance I hadn’t tried before. So I was offering to tank, or damage, or heal – basically whatever any group needed. It took a lot longer than I expected to find anyone, so I started asking locally. When someone suddenly invited me to join them, I was obviously excited about it. But then I look at my teammates, and they’re both flagged for pvp.
Hanners: Well, a lot of places have pvp objectives for the zone, these days. Were they in a battleground?
Bear: No no, you’re right. It just struck me as a bad sign. And the leader of the group was a hunter.
Hanners: Eww…
Bear: And she wasn’t just flagged, but she had res sickness.
Hanners: Eww!
Bear: And she asked me what my spec was.
Hanners: Wait, weren’t you –
Bear: Yeah, I was offering to tank. I don’t know of any tree-tanks, but maybe she thought I was going to boomkin it. Anyway, I told her I was feral, and reminded her I could tank. The shaman in the group said he was melee, but could off-heal. The hunter laughed out loud and said she would be damage.
Hanners: As opposed to…?
Bear: No no, I asked that same thing. She laughed again.
Hanners: Wait wait, did it sound like “HARR HARR.”
Bear: What?
Hanners: Nothing. Carry on.
Bear: So that was a little scary, but I had quests to do, so I just kept plugging along. Then I noticed we weren’t looking for a group, so I asked a few questions. Are we still looking for more? Are we going to the right dungeon? Why aren’t we looking for a group? Turns out, the hunter had never looked for a group before, and thought she was doing it right. Laughed at me a few more times and joked on me for not noticing that she was doing it. The shaman took leadership for a second, slipped us into the right channel, and handed leadership back to her. She laughed again.
Hanners: I shall call her Giggles.
Bear: Wait, what?
Hanners: Nothing. You say you never made it to the dungeon. Why not?
Bear: Well, the next thing I hear, is that she can’t get into the dungeon because the door is locked.
Hanners: Where were you trying to go?
Bear: Hellfire Citadel Ramparts.
Hanners: Wait – there’s no door there, is there?
Bear: No. She was trying to get into the Shattered Halls part.
Hanners: Without a full group?
Bear: Yeah. I was in the marsh, and the shaman was in Honor Hold.
Hanners: Why was she –
Bear: *makes the ursine equivalent of a shrug*
Hanners: So that’s when you left?
Bear: Well, actually, I kinda was a smartass about it. I wished them both well, and suggested they ask other people if they had any questions or confusions and wanted to learn how to play.
Hanners: Uh oh.
Bear: The hunter sent me a note asking what that was all about, but I didn’t have the heart to break it down for her. I mean, I know how hunters are. You don’t have to deal with other people your whole life – just you and nature and some freakish animal following you around. Then, suddenly, you want to make friends and you have no idea what to do. That’s fine, us druids can totally sympathize. But then the shaman sent a note and I felt I owed an explanation. Told him that I could get gear and experience faster off on my own doing quests, instead of doing the ghost-run of shame with someone who wasn’t used to other people being involved.
Hanners: Did he turn into Mr Champion?
Bear: Oh you bet he did. Started telling me about how it’d be easy to show her how to teach her real quick, and that I shouldn’t think I was so better than other people. I tried to explain, but he was already fired up. Tried telling me to go back where I came from, and that she may have to learn some technicalities, but I had to learn ‘people skills’. At that point, I remembered my guild tag and felt guilty for stirring up this guy’s ant pile, so I just told him the conversation was over. He agreed…
Hanners: There’s more to it than that, isn’t there?
Bear: But he started in on me again a minute later, telling me that he’d passed on my comments to her, and that they both agreed I should just stay in my tree and try my hand at something other than adventuring. Words like “elitist retard” were thrown at me, and that’s when my feelings were hurt and I told him he was being insulting. I …I admit, I ignored him after that.
Hanners: I see that really bothered you. I sense you felt you did the right thing, though?
Bear: Yeah. I mean, can you imagine me leading some bouncy night elf hunter like that through Ramparts?
Hanners: Wait, what?
Bear: Oh well. Thanks for talking to me about this. You’re real nice for a blood elf. Normally I’d shred you guys on sight, but I’ll think twice about it after this.
Hanners: …what?
September 15th, 2008
What an interesting and informative article. Well, done, Miss Hannah.
Though, as a side note, the correct term for a bear tank is “fat bur.”
September 15th, 2008
@Hanners
“Words like “elitist retard” were thrown at me…”
I wouldnt have any other kind of druid, were it me making the choices…
It has been my observation that people who throw around “elitist” as an insult “do fine in BRD” and are not willing to put in the effort to get from “people skills” to actually knowing how game mechanics work.
September 15th, 2008
@ Khol
You, sir, and your ‘burs’, earn a big fat grrface.
>:(
There it is. Enjoy it.
@ Kwane
Moar Elitist Durids, plx! Hahah.
Personally, I’m stuck at that point where “fine in BRD” is a very familiar phrase. Weird. Thus far, I’ve avoided having that monicker thrown at me. I think having your priest drop group and run off while pulling out her hair may keep people from adding insults to the pile.
September 15th, 2008
Excellent column. I’ve started looking forward to Mondays.
September 15th, 2008
Agreed. I chuckled several times. I’ve had several conversations to the same effect. I am often mystified by the people’s defensive reactions. I can understand that you are new to the game. Catch me on the right day, and I MIGHT be feeling patient enough to help you and teach you something you should have been learning from the beginning. If it isn’t today, then I’m sorry.
Still, its easy to understand how some players would find things frustrating, it being their first time through the game, and not having much in the way of a social network to fall back on. Truth be told, I never knew there was such a thing as an Auction House until lvl 40 or so, and I only learned that after a guildie asked me to look for something for her. With any luck, “Giggles” will find someone with patience who can teach them the ins and outs of group play.
Consider me ignorant. What does “fine in BRD” mean, anyhow? I’ve never heard that particular turn of phrase. I assume it means “Why is a problem? It worked fine in BRD!”, but I’m a little unsure.
Oh, and as a side note note, nothing gets a derisive comment from me faster in General or LFG chat than “DPS Hunter/Mage/Rogue/Warlock LFG .” We know you are DPS. There is no need to clarify. Still, I suppose it COULD be a useful way to let people know you’re not an idiot. I did have a Hunter and a Warlock (on separate occassions) tell me that they were “tanking specced”. It made me cry.
Coincidentally, these were both in BRD. I think I understand now.
September 15th, 2008
@Yggdrasil
I think you can find the first reference to the phrase here:
http://egotisticalpriest.com/2007/08/storytime/
September 15th, 2008
@Hannah
Mmmm…belfy grrfaces…they are like the tears of the lesser classes that I use to power my Fortress of Win (and seriously, once Killing Spree is live, rogues will resume their rightful place as the terrible gods of death lurking in the shadows of Azeroth, waiting to annihilate those we deem unworthy and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. And a lot of crying.)
On a serious note, though, fat bur is an endearment, not a negative term. I mean, really, have you SEEN the size of the fat bur butt? (I would totally link to BBB here but I don’t know how. I fail at blog commenting.)
September 16th, 2008
Great article as always Hanners. Good mix of information and humor. Your keen wit (is that a Blood Elves racial?) makes me also look forward to reading your articles. I think we have all been on both sides of the issue on PUGS, being the fresh meat who thinks ‘what the hell have I gotten myself into?’, to the slightly more seasoned person who can recognize the former. I think the difference is how committed you are to watching the backs of your comrades and doing your job, as best you understand it. and of course, always learning. Certainly teaming up with someone willing to share tactics is good, but barring that, your site can help those social misfits who don’t really run with a crowd on Wow, to learn how to be a better Pugger.
Thanks again and keep up the good work.
September 16th, 2008
So, basically what I got from this was that you joined a PUG with someone who had never done an instance before, and when they didn’t know where the entrance to the instance was, you quit the group. Yeah. You are the reason people level all the way to 60 without ever doing an instance.
September 16th, 2008
@Okaaay
Yes, one lone druid, forcing everyone from Van Cleef to Drakkisath into exile forever! I’m sure his decision to drop the group had nothing to do with the fact that despite the other player’s newness, they would rather argue that they already knew what they were doing rather than ask someone in their guild or group or general vicinity. Or look to the web for hints, tips, tricks and ‘What to do on your first instance run!”
If I see the bear again, I’ll let him know that he’s fired. He completely failed his job at Tutor For Everybody.
September 17th, 2008
*officially moves Hannelore off the “Spare, If Practicable” list and on to the “Let Live and, If Practicable, Help” List*
The world really doesn’t have enough snarky wit.
September 18th, 2008
Everyone has been involved in PUG’s that we knew from the outset were doomed. I look at it as a learning experience, and usually stuck around until everyone else was ready to quit too, or my armor was so wasted it would have trouble stopping a spitball. Sure, it would have been supacool if the Barr had stuck it out and tried to teach the hunter a few things, but is that really his job? I don’t think we can slam someone because they decided not to walk into certain death, can we? He had read the tea leaves and didn’t like what they had to say about his PUG. Not everyone is a great tutor, or even wants to be. Some people just want to play the game and level their toon as quickly as possible, while still having fun of course.
I guess the ugly truth of it all is, if you happen to be part of a group of friends that play, or a member of a really good guild, you may be lucky enough to find one or two really cool people that will take the time to share their knowledge. If you’re pretty much playing solo (i.e. no high level friends and haven’t been lucky enough to be invited to a good guild), you’re gonna be learning on your own. The bad part of this is, you’re not getting to 70 quickly. The good part is, you can be proud that every scrap of experience you have gained is through your own blood, sweat and tears (or at least your sweat and tears, and your toons blood). I don’t blame the Barr. Who knows what’s sitting at the keyboard at the other end of that Druid, but we can be sure he or she has the right to play Wow however they choose. And be thankful for sites like this that shovel out very good information on how to play the game better.
September 18th, 2008
Well, maybe I was too harsh on Bear. Since posting that comment I have been cursed with the most godawful PUGs imaginable.
October 2nd, 2008
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