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	<title>Comments on: Hey, How Hard does Hanners Hate Hellfire?</title>
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		<title>By: priest</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/09/hey-how-hard-does-hanners-hate-hellfire/comment-page-1/#comment-4026</link>
		<dc:creator>priest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love love love warlocks.  

A lock with a priest is a never ending source of constant damage.  Can we say fast questing?  Mucho money from dailies!  Not to mention the ones I raid with are always looking out for me, and their ability to steal aggro at will only works in my favor, when a big bad monster wants to squish me.  

Did I say I love to play with locks?  I only mean good locks.  =).  Ones who tap after the fight and don't expect more than a renew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love love love warlocks.  </p>
<p>A lock with a priest is a never ending source of constant damage.  Can we say fast questing?  Mucho money from dailies!  Not to mention the ones I raid with are always looking out for me, and their ability to steal aggro at will only works in my favor, when a big bad monster wants to squish me.  </p>
<p>Did I say I love to play with locks?  I only mean good locks.  =).  Ones who tap after the fight and don&#8217;t expect more than a renew.</p>
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		<title>By: Phaedor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaedor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hate Warlocks? Hmmmm, on the surface, that would seem logical, since we are the antithesis of you Priestly types, lurking in the shadows, wrapped in our delicious darkness, just waiting to toss some DOT's on an unsuspecting MOB. But is it hate?

Let's look a little closer. I've heard Warlocks described as the WoW equivalent of a Vampire. I tend to agree. We have spells that can suck the life out of our enemies. Most of our spells either drain or corrupt our targets, and the Bliz literature all claim we draw our power from darkness. But is it hate really Hanners? Maybe there's something more at work here. Who can deny the draw that darkness has on people, especially innocent Priestesses? I think you secretly love Warlocks. We make things sick then dead, you excel at healing things. It's the old 'Opposites attract' theory. 

I personally do not use Life Tap. That's not to say I won't find it useful at some point, but to date, I have not needed it. I have used Hellfire, but only when I knew the MOBs would die much sooner than me, or when I knew I was going to die and at least wanted to take a few of them with me. And yeah, ok, there is a bit of a rush when you set yourself ablaze. The point is, I don't have a healer following me around. Anyone (besides the tank) that's constantly calling on the healer to heal them is doing something wrong, or the run is going at a frenzied pace. Gotta have time for the healer to mana up every now and then.

Yeah, you had the caveat, but honestly, 'bad' doesn't follow one class. There is bad everywhere. I will say I think Warlocks and Rogues are some of the most difficult classes to play, IMO. But if you learn how to play them, they can be serious damage dealers. 

'Make that half-dressed hoofed harlot heal you'
Indeed. Trust me when I say, she means nothing to us. She's just another tool in our dark bag of tricks. She could never take your place.  ;)

That being said, we all love our healers. They are truly the life blood of a group, along with the tank. 

As far as our being 'fixed'.  Ummm, no thanks. Leave our evil alone Hanners.  ;)  

I really enjoy reading your stuff. Even being a Warlock, and not feeling much love here, I laughed my ass off. 

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hate Warlocks? Hmmmm, on the surface, that would seem logical, since we are the antithesis of you Priestly types, lurking in the shadows, wrapped in our delicious darkness, just waiting to toss some DOT&#8217;s on an unsuspecting MOB. But is it hate?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look a little closer. I&#8217;ve heard Warlocks described as the WoW equivalent of a Vampire. I tend to agree. We have spells that can suck the life out of our enemies. Most of our spells either drain or corrupt our targets, and the Bliz literature all claim we draw our power from darkness. But is it hate really Hanners? Maybe there&#8217;s something more at work here. Who can deny the draw that darkness has on people, especially innocent Priestesses? I think you secretly love Warlocks. We make things sick then dead, you excel at healing things. It&#8217;s the old &#8216;Opposites attract&#8217; theory. </p>
<p>I personally do not use Life Tap. That&#8217;s not to say I won&#8217;t find it useful at some point, but to date, I have not needed it. I have used Hellfire, but only when I knew the MOBs would die much sooner than me, or when I knew I was going to die and at least wanted to take a few of them with me. And yeah, ok, there is a bit of a rush when you set yourself ablaze. The point is, I don&#8217;t have a healer following me around. Anyone (besides the tank) that&#8217;s constantly calling on the healer to heal them is doing something wrong, or the run is going at a frenzied pace. Gotta have time for the healer to mana up every now and then.</p>
<p>Yeah, you had the caveat, but honestly, &#8216;bad&#8217; doesn&#8217;t follow one class. There is bad everywhere. I will say I think Warlocks and Rogues are some of the most difficult classes to play, IMO. But if you learn how to play them, they can be serious damage dealers. </p>
<p>&#8216;Make that half-dressed hoofed harlot heal you&#8217;<br />
Indeed. Trust me when I say, she means nothing to us. She&#8217;s just another tool in our dark bag of tricks. She could never take your place.  <img src='http://egotisticalpriest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That being said, we all love our healers. They are truly the life blood of a group, along with the tank. </p>
<p>As far as our being &#8216;fixed&#8217;.  Ummm, no thanks. Leave our evil alone Hanners.  <img src='http://egotisticalpriest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I really enjoy reading your stuff. Even being a Warlock, and not feeling much love here, I laughed my ass off. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: All WoW News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hey, How Hard does Hanners Hate Hellfire?</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/09/hey-how-hard-does-hanners-hate-hellfire/comment-page-1/#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>All WoW News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hey, How Hard does Hanners Hate Hellfire?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Amber wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI hate warlocks. No really. Maybe I&#8217;m racist, or classist, or something. I just hate them. Inevitably they&#8217;re stuffy and irritable, cranky and all around moody. They don&#8217;t have anything to offer a group except killing things faster, and even their pets are just kind of in the way. At least a rogue has practical abilities, and a hunter can do&#8230; stuff. I guess. At least most hunters aren&#8217;t blatantly suicidal. Alright alright, the caveat. Not ALL warlocks are useless suicidal emokids. The mistress of my own house is quite regal and intelligent and quite able to handle herself. But she&#8217;s moody too, so I guess there&#8217;s that. But most of them are just terribad. We&#8217;re out there fighting fighting fighting, the rogue, mage, and warlock are arguing over the dps meter, and everything&#8217;s dead. Well before I sit down to drink, I&#8217;d like to pick up the stuff off the corpses. Y&#8217;know, it&#8217;s mine, [...] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Amber wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI hate warlocks. No really. Maybe I&#8217;m racist, or classist, or something. I just hate them. Inevitably they&#8217;re stuffy and irritable, cranky and all around moody. They don&#8217;t have anything to offer a group except killing things faster, and even their pets are just kind of in the way. At least a rogue has practical abilities, and a hunter can do&#8230; stuff. I guess. At least most hunters aren&#8217;t blatantly suicidal. Alright alright, the caveat. Not ALL warlocks are useless suicidal emokids. The mistress of my own house is quite regal and intelligent and quite able to handle herself. But she&#8217;s moody too, so I guess there&#8217;s that. But most of them are just terribad. We&#8217;re out there fighting fighting fighting, the rogue, mage, and warlock are arguing over the dps meter, and everything&#8217;s dead. Well before I sit down to drink, I&#8217;d like to pick up the stuff off the corpses. Y&#8217;know, it&#8217;s mine, [...] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EgoP hates Warlocks. Good. &#171; TyphoonAndrew&#8217;s - Eye of the Storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>EgoP hates Warlocks. Good. &#171; TyphoonAndrew&#8217;s - Eye of the Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hates Warlocks.&#160;Good.    Did you know that Hannalore at Egotistical &#8220;hates&#8221; Warlocks; but in a good way imho. She hates us soul drinkers because we are selfish, evil, and a bit emo. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hates Warlocks.&nbsp;Good.    Did you know that Hannalore at Egotistical &#8220;hates&#8221; Warlocks; but in a good way imho. She hates us soul drinkers because we are selfish, evil, and a bit emo. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Typhoonandrew</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/09/hey-how-hard-does-hanners-hate-hellfire/comment-page-1/#comment-3954</link>
		<dc:creator>Typhoonandrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hate us Warlocks? C'mon think logically; we are the shadowy reflection of Priests and Mages, you should love us as it keeps your position in the Light so clear. Without us to demonstrate corruption, you would be tempted to walk that path.

I play a Warlock regularly and I love it. I also love ANY healer who will top me up with health after a pull, or during a long fight. I don't expect it, but it makes a hug difference.

Understand that as a Warlock one of my jobs is to watch the healer. The Mage is there to pure DPS and has sweet stuff all to offer a healer apart from sheep and a bit of freezing. A Warlock brings a diversity of Fears, pets and pure damage soak that can really help the squishy healers. Warlocks can take hits harder than most Priests, and I often keep an eye on the healer and pick-up mobs that target them. Sometimes its not worth the Tank's attention.

eg. Brewfest Boss. Those ads are easy to kill, and the Tank should not bother. The DPS should assign one and maybe a back-up to deal with them, and destroy them. Burn them.

I also find it funny that you dislike a class that walks in the Shadow path. The SPriests and Warlock have a wonderful synergy together. Extra mana vulnerability, with a Curse of Elements, and mana return is a combo for happy dps. Add a Boomkin buff or a Mage and you're looking at good times

"Warlocks do tend to be the most insufferable players" - Go watch a bad Hunter for 30 minutes and tell me that again. Warlocks might be easy to do badly, we are very hard to do well. The ones that are considered OP are the ones who have mastered the class.

Given how much Fear-Nurfing has occurred, and how much is coming in Wrath; Warlocks will not be the problem they were 2 years ago. Everyone should get past the Fear-Nurf-Bat and take a look at stuns and silences. Including the Priests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hate us Warlocks? C&#8217;mon think logically; we are the shadowy reflection of Priests and Mages, you should love us as it keeps your position in the Light so clear. Without us to demonstrate corruption, you would be tempted to walk that path.</p>
<p>I play a Warlock regularly and I love it. I also love ANY healer who will top me up with health after a pull, or during a long fight. I don&#8217;t expect it, but it makes a hug difference.</p>
<p>Understand that as a Warlock one of my jobs is to watch the healer. The Mage is there to pure DPS and has sweet stuff all to offer a healer apart from sheep and a bit of freezing. A Warlock brings a diversity of Fears, pets and pure damage soak that can really help the squishy healers. Warlocks can take hits harder than most Priests, and I often keep an eye on the healer and pick-up mobs that target them. Sometimes its not worth the Tank&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>eg. Brewfest Boss. Those ads are easy to kill, and the Tank should not bother. The DPS should assign one and maybe a back-up to deal with them, and destroy them. Burn them.</p>
<p>I also find it funny that you dislike a class that walks in the Shadow path. The SPriests and Warlock have a wonderful synergy together. Extra mana vulnerability, with a Curse of Elements, and mana return is a combo for happy dps. Add a Boomkin buff or a Mage and you&#8217;re looking at good times</p>
<p>&#8220;Warlocks do tend to be the most insufferable players&#8221; - Go watch a bad Hunter for 30 minutes and tell me that again. Warlocks might be easy to do badly, we are very hard to do well. The ones that are considered OP are the ones who have mastered the class.</p>
<p>Given how much Fear-Nurfing has occurred, and how much is coming in Wrath; Warlocks will not be the problem they were 2 years ago. Everyone should get past the Fear-Nurf-Bat and take a look at stuns and silences. Including the Priests.</p>
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		<title>By: Xixia</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/09/hey-how-hard-does-hanners-hate-hellfire/comment-page-1/#comment-3944</link>
		<dc:creator>Xixia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will lifetap during a fight when I suddenly find myself reduced to using my wand to keep attacking. Never when out of combat though, I will cheerfully eat and drink like every body else.</description>
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		<title>By: Rigel</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/09/hey-how-hard-does-hanners-hate-hellfire/comment-page-1/#comment-3927</link>
		<dc:creator>Rigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh thats a tough one, there are things that every class does that I hate, I'm really unfond of bad hunters and bad tanks of any flavor.  I could make a list but the bigest peeves are the hunter who grabs aggro, gets the mob up in his grill and rather than trapping it, feigns death, while standing next to me, and the tanks who don't get aggro on/don't pay attention to all their mobs, and don't come get the lose ones, which again have come to see me.  I'm your tree, I don't have an easily accessible aggro dump, somebody has to come over here and get it off me before I die and all of you come with me.  The list could go on...

That said, I love the lock I run w/ regularly who, after life tapping, bandages themself, -even in combat- I have gone to throw a HoT on my lock, thinking 'when did you take damage?' to find him in the middle of self bandaging.  It's enough to warm this trees wooden heart, ditto for hunters who give me a trap to stand in if they aren't doing specific CC, that cat druid who will back out and heal herself an other melee dps on AoE heavy fights, that rogue who likes to avoidance tank mobs trying to kill me, that pally tank who throws me a safety bubble on pulls gone wild while he gathers everything back up.  I love you guys.

That lock who helfired himself to death while I was busy trying to keep both you and the real tank alive? You're running back to your body.  I might need this rez for somebody important in the next 20 minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh thats a tough one, there are things that every class does that I hate, I&#8217;m really unfond of bad hunters and bad tanks of any flavor.  I could make a list but the bigest peeves are the hunter who grabs aggro, gets the mob up in his grill and rather than trapping it, feigns death, while standing next to me, and the tanks who don&#8217;t get aggro on/don&#8217;t pay attention to all their mobs, and don&#8217;t come get the lose ones, which again have come to see me.  I&#8217;m your tree, I don&#8217;t have an easily accessible aggro dump, somebody has to come over here and get it off me before I die and all of you come with me.  The list could go on&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, I love the lock I run w/ regularly who, after life tapping, bandages themself, -even in combat- I have gone to throw a HoT on my lock, thinking &#8216;when did you take damage?&#8217; to find him in the middle of self bandaging.  It&#8217;s enough to warm this trees wooden heart, ditto for hunters who give me a trap to stand in if they aren&#8217;t doing specific CC, that cat druid who will back out and heal herself an other melee dps on AoE heavy fights, that rogue who likes to avoidance tank mobs trying to kill me, that pally tank who throws me a safety bubble on pulls gone wild while he gathers everything back up.  I love you guys.</p>
<p>That lock who helfired himself to death while I was busy trying to keep both you and the real tank alive? You&#8217;re running back to your body.  I might need this rez for somebody important in the next 20 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Khukuri</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/09/hey-how-hard-does-hanners-hate-hellfire/comment-page-1/#comment-3923</link>
		<dc:creator>Khukuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You’re all talking about destruction locks, otherwise known as shadow mages, they not even proper locks anyway. 

Life tap? Why would I do that, I have this little imp named mana battery running along beside me, I’ll tap him instead. 

Oh and on the rare occasions when mana battery is low, and I have to life tap, don’t bother with the heals, you know my drain life gets +4% for every DoT I’ve dropped on that target, and I’ve dropped a lot of DoTs so I’ll life tap and then suck the life back and still do damage at the same time.

These wannabe mages giving us locks a bad name, why didn’t they just roll mage in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re all talking about destruction locks, otherwise known as shadow mages, they not even proper locks anyway. </p>
<p>Life tap? Why would I do that, I have this little imp named mana battery running along beside me, I’ll tap him instead. </p>
<p>Oh and on the rare occasions when mana battery is low, and I have to life tap, don’t bother with the heals, you know my drain life gets +4% for every DoT I’ve dropped on that target, and I’ve dropped a lot of DoTs so I’ll life tap and then suck the life back and still do damage at the same time.</p>
<p>These wannabe mages giving us locks a bad name, why didn’t they just roll mage in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Destructive Reach &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Perverted Paladins and why they freak me out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Destructive Reach &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Perverted Paladins and why they freak me out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at The Egotistical Priest hates Warlocks. Really, I don&#8217;t find this to be that big a deal - Priests often strike me as being our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
		<link>http://egotisticalpriest.com/2008/09/hey-how-hard-does-hanners-hate-hellfire/comment-page-1/#comment-3921</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main is a priest and i totally dont mind when a lock taps... with their talent that gives them 25% healing or what not, 1 greater heal hits for like 9k or crits for 12k.... so thats easy enough. for 800 mana out of my 11k unbuffed thats fine.

I hate rogues... I have one myself... it was my only 60... and my first 70.

Why, because at the current point they are practically useless. Sap is crap, they are melee so they take a heap of dmg from practically anything, their neiche weapon is the dagger and nobody uses them and on a fight like Brut, they pretty much always loose to locks and mages on DPS... Which is what they are supposed to do because they provide nothing else.

At least a mage provides Int. A lock gives Curse of Reck and Elements as well as a +shadow dmg buff for other locks/shadow priests, Shammies give totems and BL, Druids give a buff when in their forms, Warriors have shouts, Hunters even have MD and they are at range, Ret pallies give +3% dmg to entire raid and keep blessings up... and I could continue but im just babbling now...

At least in Wrath, Rogues have an MD which increases dmg...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main is a priest and i totally dont mind when a lock taps&#8230; with their talent that gives them 25% healing or what not, 1 greater heal hits for like 9k or crits for 12k&#8230;. so thats easy enough. for 800 mana out of my 11k unbuffed thats fine.</p>
<p>I hate rogues&#8230; I have one myself&#8230; it was my only 60&#8230; and my first 70.</p>
<p>Why, because at the current point they are practically useless. Sap is crap, they are melee so they take a heap of dmg from practically anything, their neiche weapon is the dagger and nobody uses them and on a fight like Brut, they pretty much always loose to locks and mages on DPS&#8230; Which is what they are supposed to do because they provide nothing else.</p>
<p>At least a mage provides Int. A lock gives Curse of Reck and Elements as well as a +shadow dmg buff for other locks/shadow priests, Shammies give totems and BL, Druids give a buff when in their forms, Warriors have shouts, Hunters even have MD and they are at range, Ret pallies give +3% dmg to entire raid and keep blessings up&#8230; and I could continue but im just babbling now&#8230;</p>
<p>At least in Wrath, Rogues have an MD which increases dmg&#8230;</p>
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